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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject:
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I have an embeded media player 10 running on a web page which is streaming a
file from my windows streaming media server. The file it is streaming is a
wma audio file with syncronized lyrics (which were snycronized in the Windows
Media File Editor x64 Edition). When I stream this file to a Windows Media
Player 10 (not embeded in a web page) with the captions option turned on, the
captions show properly, but when I play it in the web page with the
SETCAPTIONING property set to true, I get a little x in a ballon (which
obviously means it isn't going to work). Apparently this is a known issue. My
understand is that the support for that command stopped a couple of versions
ago. I have not tryed it yet, but I have heard there is a way to get the
captions to show by doing a little asx or smil coding (which I don't care to
do after I have worked so hard to sync these lyrics for playback on portable
devices and non-embeded media player 10.). I would like to know if there is a
way currently to display the lyrics synced in a wma audioo file that is being
streamed without doing asx or smil coding and if there is not, I would like
to see this issue addressed for media player 11. With todays music, it is
often hard for some people to understand all the lyrics, so that is the
reason why I am trying to enable captioning.
Thank you for your time,
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Captioning Problems |
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On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:40:02 -0800, the general public
<thegeneralpublic@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I have an embeded media player 10 running on a web page which is streaming a
file from my windows streaming media server. The file it is streaming is a
wma audio file with syncronized lyrics (which were snycronized in the Windows
Media File Editor x64 Edition). When I stream this file to a Windows Media
Player 10 (not embeded in a web page) with the captions option turned on, the
captions show properly, but when I play it in the web page with the
SETCAPTIONING property set to true,
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I've never heard of that property, perhaps you are confusing the WMP
object model with a different player ? It's my belief you'd benefit
from viewing this refresher about captioning in a web page :
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/wmp7_sami.asp
| Quote: | I get a little x in a ballon (which >obviously means it isn't going to work).
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No, that means a broken ActiveX control. You should post your
embedding code if we're to determine what's wrong here.
| Quote: | Apparently this is a known issue.
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Not by anybody I've met ;-))
| Quote: | understand is that the support for that command stopped a couple of versions
ago. I have not tryed it yet, but I have heard there is a way to get the
captions to show by doing a little asx or smil coding
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Neither of those options are applicable : WMP doesn't use SMIL at all
(only Real and Quicktime offer that).
ASX is unrelated to captioning, it's a playlist format - although you
can append a query string to the WMV or video file of
?SAMI=http://myserver.com/path/to/captions.smi
| Quote: | do after I have worked so hard to sync these lyrics for playback on portable
devices and non-embeded media player 10.).
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I'm not aware of any portable devices which support SAMI captions.
Could you name any examples, I'd be interested to find out more.
| Quote: | I would like to know if there is a
way currently to display the lyrics synced in a wma audioo file that is being
streamed without doing asx or smil coding and if there is not
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Synchronised lyrics are a little different than captioning ~or~ script
commands, and are embedded into the media file itself (like script
commands) but there's no programatic way to display them unlike SAMI
captions. You'd have to write some custom javascript to extract those,
which I'm not sure would actually work - it would be an interesting
experiment though.
| Quote: | , I would like
to see this issue addressed for media player 11. With todays music, it is
often hard for some people to understand all the lyrics, so that is the
reason why I am trying to enable captioning.
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I'm not clear that you've demonstrated a use case here. Perhaps if you
could explain the reasons why SAMI or script command captions don't
work for you, there could be a resolution in other ways.
If you want to view some CC content, you might want to look at the way
I've put together www.captionkit.com and see if those sort of methods
work for your requirements.
Cheers - Neil |
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Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:30 am Post subject:
Re: Captioning Problems |
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First of all I must appologize for a mistake I made in my original question.
I refered to the language SMIL. I just realized my mistake. I ment to say
SAMI. It makes big difference I know. My point I was trying to make is that I
think it is rediculous to spend all the time syncing lyrics from the Windows
Media File Editor and then having to basically redo all of that (in a sence)
for the lyrics to show up in the embeded player. I think that haveing to make
an SAMI (.smi) file is rediculously redundant and time consuming. I had come
across the web page you gave me a link to before and I was aware of this
option, but as I just said, I think is a waste of time if windows media
player embeded functioned the same way windows media player 10 (unembeded)
does currently. It doesn't require any SAMI files to display lyrics like I
think it shouldn't. As for portable devices, I didn't make myself clear I
guess. The portable devices I use are displaying the lyrics which I synced
into the wma files from the Windows Media File Editor. It is not using some
SAMI file. This only proves my point. Why do we need to make a SAMI file when
both portable media players and the real deal Windows Media Player don't
require them!
Here is my current code.
<EMBED
TYPE="application/x-mplayer2"
PLUGINSPAGE="http://microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/"
ID="WindowsMediaPlayer"
NAME="WindowsMediaPlayer"
DISPLAYSIZE="4"
AUTOSIZE="False"
SHOWCONTROLS="False"
SHOWCAPTIONING="True"
SHOWTRACKER="False"
SHOWDISPLAY="False"
SHOWSTATUSBAR="True"
VIDEOBOARDER3D="True"
WIDTH="320"
HEIGHT="260"
SRC="censored"
AUTOSTART="True"
LOOP="False">
</EMBED>
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:40:02 -0800, the general public
thegeneralpublic@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have an embeded media player 10 running on a web page which is streaming a
file from my windows streaming media server. The file it is streaming is a
wma audio file with syncronized lyrics (which were snycronized in the Windows
Media File Editor x64 Edition). When I stream this file to a Windows Media
Player 10 (not embeded in a web page) with the captions option turned on, the
captions show properly, but when I play it in the web page with the
SETCAPTIONING property set to true,
I've never heard of that property, perhaps you are confusing the WMP
object model with a different player ? It's my belief you'd benefit
from viewing this refresher about captioning in a web page :
http://www.msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwmt/html/wmp7_sami.asp
I get a little x in a ballon (which >obviously means it isn't going to work).
No, that means a broken ActiveX control. You should post your
embedding code if we're to determine what's wrong here.
Apparently this is a known issue.
Not by anybody I've met ;-))
understand is that the support for that command stopped a couple of versions
ago. I have not tryed it yet, but I have heard there is a way to get the
captions to show by doing a little asx or smil coding
Neither of those options are applicable : WMP doesn't use SMIL at all
(only Real and Quicktime offer that).
ASX is unrelated to captioning, it's a playlist format - although you
can append a query string to the WMV or video file of
?SAMI=http://myserver.com/path/to/captions.smi
do after I have worked so hard to sync these lyrics for playback on portable
devices and non-embeded media player 10.).
I'm not aware of any portable devices which support SAMI captions.
Could you name any examples, I'd be interested to find out more.
I would like to know if there is a
way currently to display the lyrics synced in a wma audioo file that is being
streamed without doing asx or smil coding and if there is not
Synchronised lyrics are a little different than captioning ~or~ script
commands, and are embedded into the media file itself (like script
commands) but there's no programatic way to display them unlike SAMI
captions. You'd have to write some custom javascript to extract those,
which I'm not sure would actually work - it would be an interesting
experiment though.
, I would like
to see this issue addressed for media player 11. With todays music, it is
often hard for some people to understand all the lyrics, so that is the
reason why I am trying to enable captioning.
I'm not clear that you've demonstrated a use case here. Perhaps if you
could explain the reasons why SAMI or script command captions don't
work for you, there could be a resolution in other ways.
If you want to view some CC content, you might want to look at the way
I've put together www.captionkit.com and see if those sort of methods
work for your requirements.
Cheers - Neil
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