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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File, Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy protection?

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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

Any software (vs hardware) tricks on this? Yes, VCR/DVD/SAT/TV feeds are via
an analogue TV capture device - an oldish Hauppaguge WinTVUSB (USB 1.1)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Another good tip - tricky to work around though...

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File,
Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but
not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil

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Mac
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

Another good tip - tricky to work around though...

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File, Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil


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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

Quote:
I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File, Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil
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Mac
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

I'll alternate the VHS tapes every 10 minutes just to prove my point for the
next few hours ;-)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File, Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy
protection?


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Mac
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

Actually there seems to be a bunch of newer VHS tapes that won't give
video...

I'll leave the older VHS stuff on until anyone taps in - then I'll flip
over...

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
I'll alternate the VHS tapes every 10 minutes just to prove my point for
the next few hours ;-)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23Uy6Yan8FHA.3508@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File, Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but
not others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy
protection?




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Zarax
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

It gives 404 to me... BTW, what you're doing can be useful to a lot more
people out there, I'd suggest you to write down every step and share them if
you want... I'd be glad to host it at www.wmwiki.com

--
Marco Zara: MVP - Digital Media

Windows Media User Community: www.wmwiki.com
"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Any software (vs hardware) tricks on this? Yes, VCR/DVD/SAT/TV feeds are
via an analogue TV capture device - an oldish Hauppaguge WinTVUSB (USB
1.1)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%238YgkYo8FHA.608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Another good tip - tricky to work around though...

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File,
Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but
not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil








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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:51:21 +0100, "Zarax" <zarax999@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
It gives 404 to me...

You have to put the URL into media player !

Cheers - Neil
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

VHS on WMP URL again... copy paste the following into WMP File Open URL

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
It's not a website - that's why you will get a 404 when you try to open in
IE etc. Gladly share all I am doing with your guidance.

"Zarax" <zarax999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OQlg$Bp8FHA.3388@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
It gives 404 to me... BTW, what you're doing can be useful to a lot more
people out there, I'd suggest you to write down every step and share them
if you want... I'd be glad to host it at www.wmwiki.com

--
Marco Zara: MVP - Digital Media

Windows Media User Community: www.wmwiki.com
"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23upSudo8FHA.2364@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Any software (vs hardware) tricks on this? Yes, VCR/DVD/SAT/TV feeds are
via an analogue TV capture device - an oldish Hauppaguge WinTVUSB (USB
1.1)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%238YgkYo8FHA.608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Another good tip - tricky to work around though...

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed
to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File,
Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but
not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy
protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil








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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

It's not a website - that's why you will get a 404 when you try to open in
IE etc. Gladly share all I am doing with your guidance.

"Zarax" <zarax999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OQlg$Bp8FHA.3388@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Quote:
It gives 404 to me... BTW, what you're doing can be useful to a lot more
people out there, I'd suggest you to write down every step and share them
if you want... I'd be glad to host it at www.wmwiki.com

--
Marco Zara: MVP - Digital Media

Windows Media User Community: www.wmwiki.com
"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%23upSudo8FHA.2364@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Any software (vs hardware) tricks on this? Yes, VCR/DVD/SAT/TV feeds are
via an analogue TV capture device - an oldish Hauppaguge WinTVUSB (USB
1.1)

"Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:%238YgkYo8FHA.608@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Another good tip - tricky to work around though...

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com> wrote:

I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV webcam feed
to
work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player clients (File,
Open
URL) via a dynamic dns -

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some VHS videos but
not
others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular (newer) won't
display
video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of copy
protection?


Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not home-recorded
video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)

Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some way that TVs
can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs and I guess
your TV card input, are confused by the timing (synchronisation)
pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :

http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM

HTH
Cheers - Neil








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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:18:40 -0000, Mac wrote:

Quote:
VHS on WMP URL again... copy paste the following into WMP File Open URL

http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219

There are a few devices I've found that will remove the macrovision
accidentally. Devices like audio receivers with video support, handful of
VCR's (dual decks especially), and some older DV camcoders (Firewire
connected to PC). It will take some experimenting.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

Macrovision does not scramble the signal. Basically it
inserts a high level signal into a non-viewed portion of the
video stream, and this would exploit the automatic gain
control on the recording device. The AGC circuit would think
the video was too bright and attenuate the signal to reduce
that artificially high level with a result of the actual
video signal being too weak to be visible.
Their are macrovision 'decoders' available that basically
clip the overpowered signals, or just passing the signal
through an old vcr may do the trick also- I found that out
using a high end sony vintage ~90.


"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com>
wrote:
:
: >I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV
webcam feed to
: >work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player
clients (File, Open
: >URL) via a dynamic dns -
: >
: >http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219
: >
: >One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some
VHS videos but not
: >others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular
(newer) won't display
: >video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of
copy protection?
:
:
: Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not
home-recorded
: video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)
:
: Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some
way that TVs
: can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs
and I guess
: your TV card input, are confused by the timing
(synchronisation)
: pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :
:
: http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM
:
: HTH
: Cheers - Neil
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:23:47 -0600, "Mike Mueller"
<MyName@ecinet.net.net> wrote:

Quote:
Macrovision does not scramble the signal.

Sorry - I used "scramble" as shorthand for the extended discussion of
the technique on the link I posted ;-))

Cheers - Neil

Quote:
Basically it
inserts a high level signal into a non-viewed portion of the
video stream, and this would exploit the automatic gain
control on the recording device. The AGC circuit would think
the video was too bright and attenuate the signal to reduce
that artificially high level with a result of the actual
video signal being too weak to be visible.
Their are macrovision 'decoders' available that basically
clip the overpowered signals, or just passing the signal
through an old vcr may do the trick also- I found that out
using a high end sony vintage ~90.


"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac" <mac@nospam.com
wrote:
:
: >I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV & DV
webcam feed to
: >work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player
clients (File, Open
: >URL) via a dynamic dns -
:
: >http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219
:
: >One further query - why is it that I can broadcast some
VHS videos but not
: >others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular
(newer) won't display
: >video - even though audio comes through... Some kind of
copy protection?
:
:
: Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded not
home-recorded
: video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV anyway)
:
: Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some
way that TVs
: can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like VCRs
and I guess
: your TV card input, are confused by the timing
(synchronisation)
: pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :
:
: http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM
:
: HTH
: Cheers - Neil
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: VHS feed to WME query Reply with quote

Actually, I should be saying sorry, as I did not read your
entire post. The URL you posted in the part I did not read
appears to be a mirror of the resource I used to confirm
what I had thought was the way

"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:4j9po19e1ukej3i7l1b61b7g3s2cvnsr8l@4ax.com...
: On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 10:23:47 -0600, "Mike Mueller"
: <MyName@ecinet.net.net> wrote:
:
: >Macrovision does not scramble the signal.
:
: Sorry - I used "scramble" as shorthand for the extended
discussion of
: the technique on the link I posted ;-))
:
: Cheers - Neil
:
: > Basically it
: >inserts a high level signal into a non-viewed portion of
the
: >video stream, and this would exploit the automatic gain
: >control on the recording device. The AGC circuit would
think
: >the video was too bright and attenuate the signal to
reduce
: >that artificially high level with a result of the actual
: >video signal being too weak to be visible.
: >Their are macrovision 'decoders' available that basically
: >clip the overpowered signals, or just passing the signal
: >through an old vcr may do the trick also- I found that
out
: >using a high end sony vintage ~90.
: >
: >
: >"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote
in
: >message
news:62lgo15nds2i6p26bejhsrv2nihjtk7ooe@4ax.com...
: >: On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:45:48 -0000, "Mac"
<mac@nospam.com>
: >wrote:
: >:
: >: >I have now almost fully configured my DVD/VHS/SAT TV &
DV
: >webcam feed to
: >: >work with WME9 (live broadcast) toWindows Media Player
: >clients (File, Open
: >: >URL) via a dynamic dns -
: >: >
: >: >http://adrian.dyndns.info:1219
: >: >
: >: >One further query - why is it that I can broadcast
some
: >VHS videos but not
: >: >others? Most VHS seem to work - but one in particular
: >(newer) won't display
: >: >video - even though audio comes through... Some kind
of
: >copy protection?
: >:
: >:
: >: Could be "macrovision" yes - if they're pre-recorded
not
: >home-recorded
: >: video (assuming you can view them as-is on the TV
anyway)
: >:
: >: Macrovision scrambles the incoming video signal in some
: >way that TVs
: >: can interpret uninterrupted, but other devices like
VCRs
: >and I guess
: >: your TV card input, are confused by the timing
: >(synchronisation)
: >: pulses. If you want to read more about this, suggest :
: >:
: >: http://cd.textfiles.com/group42/HACK/TV/MACROV.HTM
: >:
: >: HTH
: >: Cheers - Neil
: >
:
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