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mark4man
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Thu May 05, 2005 5:58 am Post subject:
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People,
Is there a way to code Windows Media Audio meta files (*.wax's), or an
option prior to the actual encoding of the *.wma's themselves...whereby the
end user cannot have a permanent song file residing on their hard drive post
streaming?
Our songs are *streamed* by my hosting service via Windows Media Server, so
I'm pretty sure the option to "save" the media is grayed out. But, the
songs can still be added to the Windows Media Players' Library...& a clever
end user would I'm sure be able to figure out where that cache is located.
My band is worried about piracy; & doesn't want our music distributed for
free.
Thanks,
mark4man
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Thu May 05, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject:
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On Wed, 4 May 2005 20:58:49 -0400, "mark4man" <mw.forman@verizon.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | People,
Is there a way to code Windows Media Audio meta files (*.wax's), or an
option prior to the actual encoding of the *.wma's themselves...whereby the
end user cannot have a permanent song file residing on their hard drive post
streaming?
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DRM (digital rights management) is provided for this purpose. Your
host should be able to provide costs for applying DRM licences to your
music (eg play once, save/copy to disk etc).
| Quote: | Our songs are *streamed* by my hosting service via Windows Media Server, so
I'm pretty sure the option to "save" the media is grayed out. But, the
songs can still be added to the Windows Media Players' Library...& a clever
end user would I'm sure be able to figure out where that cache is located.
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If it's true streaming, and not a download from a web server, a
'clever user' would have a lot of hoops to jump through to save the
file permanently - streamed files are not cached by the player.
But downloads from a http server *are* cached by IE in many cases. So
check they are providing you with what they've sold you - a streaming
serve, not a web server with your files on it.
| Quote: | My band is worried about piracy; & doesn't want our music distributed for
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It'll happen no matter what you do. Remember "home taping is killing
music" ? It turns out it never did. But your content can always be
intercepted - whether it's cleverly applying a network monitor to
attach to the data packets on the network, to connecting a sampler to
the audio output of the sound card and recording the analog signal.
In the end you have to decice how much your music is worth in $ - and
decide to go down the DRM route or live with the slight chance
somebody could be bothered to take a recording.
In many cases, it's worth doing as some bands have done - release
10000 copies for free, let word get out and then charge for the rest
of the album release (4x your original sales estimates) because people
recommend you to their friends and contacts.
Cheers - Neil |
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Sebastian Gottschalk
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Thu May 05, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media] wrote:
| Quote: | DRM (digital rights management) is provided for this purpose. Your
host should be able to provide costs for applying DRM licences to your
music (eg play once, save/copy to disk etc).
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DRM can be easily circumvented.
| Quote: | If it's true streaming, and not a download from a web server, a
'clever user' would have a lot of hoops to jump through to save the
file permanently - streamed files are not cached by the player.
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Wrong again. There are hundres of streaming media recording utilities,
either doing the download themselves or working as proxies. They're easy to
use and well known. No need to be clever.
| Quote: | But your content can always be
intercepted - whether it's cleverly applying a network monitor to
attach to the data packets on the network, to connecting a sampler to
the audio output of the sound card and recording the analog signal.
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Why not recording the digital signal? Yeah, I know, DRM is trying to
prevent this, with big pointer to "trying". Creative Soundcards partially
don't care, soundcards within a VM don't care, WinAmp didn't care...
| Quote: | In the end you have to decice how much your music is worth in $ - and
decide to go down the DRM route or live with the slight chance
somebody could be bothered to take a recording.
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Why not simply selling the unecrypted stream itself? And the end it turns
out the be the same, with less problems, less fraud and less costs.
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Thu May 05, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:13:27 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
<seppi@seppig.de> wrote:
| Quote: | Why not simply selling the unecrypted stream itself? And the end it turns
out the be the same, with less problems, less fraud and less costs.
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I think we found something we agree on ;-)
PS - DRM is the Spawn of Satan.
Cheers - Neil |
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mark4man
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Fri May 06, 2005 7:33 am Post subject:
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Well...I guess the only solution then is to only provide a snippet of the
full composition...maybe like a fade-in to a major verse, bridge & solo; & a
fade-out from there...just enough body to get the picture & decide if they
like it enough to buy it.
But if I leave it the way it is (which is true streaming)...the clever ones
who can rip from the digital stream will comprise the freebee crowd; & maybe
word will get out from there...in the same vein as Neil's "give some free to
get some sales" theory.
Interesting. You guys have me thinking now.
Thanks very much,
mark4man
"Neil Smith [MVP Digital Media]" <neil@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 5 May 2005 14:13:27 +0200, Sebastian Gottschalk
seppi@seppig.de> wrote:
Why not simply selling the unecrypted stream itself? And the end it turns
out the be the same, with less problems, less fraud and less costs.
I think we found something we agree on ;-)
PS - DRM is the Spawn of Satan.
Cheers - Neil |
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Neil Smith [MVP Digital M
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Fri May 06, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject:
Re: No Permanent Song File on End User's Computer? |
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On Thu, 5 May 2005 22:33:15 -0400, "mark4man" <mw.forman@verizon.net>
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| Quote: | Well...I guess the only solution then is to only provide a snippet of the
full composition...maybe like a fade-in to a major verse, bridge & solo; & a
fade-out from there...just enough body to get the picture & decide if they
like it enough to buy it.
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Sure, well it seems to work OK for Amazon when they sell albums.
Have fun ;-)
Cheers - Neil |
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